Comments on: The Origin of Life did not Happen by Chance

By: Student

Student — Sat, 03 Dec 2011 17:21:18 +0000

Actually he did the quote justice and did not represent the meaning of the quote. From your own link, George Wald’s point in that whole discourse was that:
“The important point is that since the origin of life belongs in the category of at-least-once phenomena, time is on its side. However improbable we regard this event, or any of the steps which it involves, given enough time it will almost certainly happen at least once. And for life as we know it, with its capacity for growth and reproduction, once may be enough.”
This was not misrepresented. George Wald is indeed saying that he believes this on the basis that just because it was never reproduced does not mean that it could not have happened once. Based on that logic, where are the limitations? It seems this school of thought abandons all scientific process and logic.

By: Student

Student — Sat, 03 Dec 2011 17:14:02 +0000

This argument shows your lack of concern for logic as well as your lack of understanding of the Scriptures. If you’re going to follow the premise that God created life, then you have to continue with that train of thought along its Biblical path. God created the world without imperfection and He called it good. The Fall of man is where sin, death, disease, and imperfection were introduced. Whether you believe it or not is not the point. The point is that if you’re going to build an argument, you have to build it on the full picture, not just the parts that are convenient. Otherwise, you, too, are guilty of quote mining.

By: Matt

Matt — Fri, 21 Oct 2011 07:43:07 +0000

You say “Nobody would believe that Windows 7 is the result of chance”. I do but then I’m a Linux nut. I tend to agree with any comment that makes MS Windoze sound like crap. That said there is a huge difference between say a piece of software that runs on a pc and replicating living cell.

Lets start with the basics.

1. an argument that god created life isn’t an argument against Evolution itself. Evolution occurs after life has started.
2. What Louis Pasteur and the others who denied spontaneous generation demonstrated is that life does not currently spontaneously arise in complex form from nonlife in nature; he did not demonstrate the impossibility of life arising in simple form from nonlife by way of a long and propitious series of chemical steps/selections. In particular, they did not show that life cannot arise once, and then evolve.
3. Even if the chance of Abiogenesis is extremely small that is really no proof that it didn’t occur since the odds of it happening now, that it has happened, makes the odds null and void. It’s like predicting the chance of you, as in your particular genome, being born.
4. The only way to disprove Abiogenesis is to show that it hasn’t occurred or that something else happened instead. Talking purely about chances doesn’t cut it. Prove literal biblical creation and then you’ll be able to show we are wrong about Abiogenesis. Note: quote mining and bad science aren’t proof.
5. The Bacterium Flagellum is not Irreducibly Complex. There is a great video by CDK007 on youtube at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdwTwNPyR9w . Check it out and please try and show where CDK007 is wrong.

By: Matt

Matt — Fri, 21 Oct 2011 07:03:58 +0000

You say “I was able to hold both thoughts for several decades, then I gave up and had to choose one.” yes that would be the truth of evolution or the fraud of literal biblical creation that a 5 year old could poke holes in.

By: Matt

Matt — Fri, 21 Oct 2011 07:00:51 +0000

You have quote mined again. In this case it’s from George Wald’s The Origin of Life where you say “For example, this biologist says flat out says he believes in something that he knows is not proven:”

Please correct your quote so that it shows the intended meaning. I point you now to a talkorigins link which shows why what you have quoted is mined and explains in full detail what George Wald actually meant.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/quotes/mine/part4-2.html