- Using the Dog-Kind of Animal to Disprove Evolution
- Pictures of Varieties of
Dogs, Including Wolves
- All Dogs are the Same Species
- The Science of Taxonomy — Definition of
- Dogs, Wolves, Coyotes, etc can all Produce Fertile Offspring Together
- There is no Cross-Breeding between Dogs, Cats and Bears
- Dogs, Cats and Bears Cannot Mate, but are Related According to Evolutionists
- Conclusion: God Created the Basic Types of Animals
Speciesare Not Species, Only Variations
Using the Dog-Kind of Animal to Disprove Evolution
On this page, I use kinds of dogs as an example that animals are in distinct groups, such as dogs cats or bears, but that there is no overlapping between groups. Each group has a lot of varieties that are able to mate and produce fertile offspring: the definition of the term
Dogs, wolves and coyotes are all the same kind of animal. There is no evidence in living things, or in the fossil record, that any basic kind of animal changed into any other basic kind of animal. Each basic kind of animal must have been created.
Pictures of Varieties of
Dogs, Including Wolves
Look at the pictures of the pretty dogs:
Oh, wait, those are not dogs. Those are wolves. They are not even the same species of wolf! They are two different species of wolf.
Grey Wolf (Canis lupus)
Red Wolf (Canis rufus)
You can tell right off that these are different species of wolf by the fact that they are different colors, right?
Little black and white dog with big dog
Big white dog with little brown dog
Big black and white dog with little white dog
Little brown and black dog with big brown dog
Little black dog with big black and brown dog
Little brown and white dog with big black dog
Big brown dog with little brown and tan dog
Big tan dog with little black dog
All Dogs are the Same Species
All of these dogs look very different from each other. They are different sizes and different colors, plus, they have different coat textures. But, they are all the same species: The Domestic Dog. How then can the grey wolf and the red wolf be different species? They look the same except for the color fur.
The deal is, we KNOW that all dogs are the same species because we know that they are the same species. Yes, you read that correctly. If a scientist came along and saw a poodle or a St. Bernard living in the wild, he would publish a paper on the new species he has found.
But, since we have lived so closely with dogs for hundreds of years, they would not dare try to fool us by telling us that a poodle is a different species than a St. Bernard. We know that dogs are dogs are dogs because the dog next door jumps over the fence to have babies with our dog. Then, the babies were more dogs.
But, we are told that all the little variation in groups of dogs (and bears, cats,etc) is a new species .
The Science of Taxonomy — Definition of
Carl Linnaeus is called the Father of Taxonomy. He developed the classification system that became what now called taxonomy. He was just trying to categorize the types of animals to see how many kinds of animal that God created.
But, evolution-believing scientists have taken his system of categorizing animals into the kinds that God kinds, and decided that it now shows evolutionary relationships.
Carl Linnaeus defined the word Species like this (paraphrase): If two animals can mate and produce fertile offspring then they are the same species.
He was trying to find the maximum number of animals that God created in order to have all the variations that we now have.
Dogs, Wolves, Coyotes, etc can all Produce Fertile Offspring Together
It is well known that different species of wild dogs can cross-breed and produce fertile offspring together. But, is the word cross-breed really accurate?
Cross-breed means to mate to different species together. Wolfdog and coydog are names of two of the cross-bred variations. Carl Linnaeus. who defined the term species defined it that if they can mate and have babies then they are the same species. What is the deal? Why are not dogs, wolves, coyotes, etc all the same species?
There is no Cross-Breeding between Dogs, Cats and Bears
The definition of species has changed just in my lifetime. Now, the term species is given to every small various within a type of animal. Why? Because there is not enough evidence to prove evolution (because it is not true).
Dogs only make dogs, bears only make bears, cats only make cats. There is no cross-breeding between cats and dogs, or between dogs and bears, or between bears and cats. But, they are in the same Order Carnivore, meaning that they are related to each other evolutionarily-speaking. (again, by using the categories that Carl Linnaeus made to name the kinds of animals that God created.)
Dogs, Cats and Bears Cannot Mate, but are Related According to Evolutionists
But, how can cats, dogs and bears be related if they are isolated within their own reproductive circle? Exactly. That is what evolutionists are trying to hide. If they define a zillion species of dogs, a zillion species of cats, and a zillion species of bears, we will be fooled into believing that new animals are being developed by evolution all the time.
Because evolution is called a fact (even though there is no proof) they have to make more evidence or people might quit believing it.
Conclusion: God Created the Basic Types of Animals
In reality, God created the basic kinds of animals: dogs, cats, bears, etc. Each basic kind of animal has the capacity for adapting to any ecological zone they come across. That is not evolution, that is good planning. That is only the innate genetic diversity that God programmed into all his creations.
Species are Not Species, Only Variations
A population of animals (or humans, too), who only interbreed with each other will start to look like each other. This family resemblance is what is miss-named a species. Then, since that species that only developed in one place is named an endangered species because it is not any place else.
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In thirty years, after the isolated population of goldfish in my backyard pond has been only reproducing with each other, I am going to have an endangered species of goldfish. I am going go ask for federal funding to protect their habitat.
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dude i don’t even know where to start..ok so yea evolution might not be 100% accurate, but it has evidence to the point where its extremely hard to ignore. You cant just say that god did it..ok? I myself don’t really believe in evolution 100%, but i’m not blinded to the point where i ignore facts. Evolution does exist, the reason why dogs can breed with one another(not all dogs by the way) is because there the same species still. Its only been a couple hundred years since humans started breeding dogs. Now imagine 100’s of thousands of years later, imagine a poodle then. they would be so diversified from every other “dog” that they’d have 100’s of other poodles instead of just mini poodles, and the only reason we have those is because we did selective breeding to get what we want, and that is against nature in my opinion to make your own breed of something, it messes up natural selection. The thing is tho those are only a few hundred generations apart, so they can still be bred with one another. Evolution does happen but not to the point where we can see it going on around us, you do however make some valid points but…dude just accept the evidence around you. maybe god made it possible for us to evolve and adjust to our environment so we could thrive and live for a long time instead of dyeing out. I’m just saying tho, try not to jump to conclusion so fast man, just stand back and see the world around you.
So how do you feel about a male donkey and female horse being bred together to make mules? Although mules are not calssifed as a species because they tend to not produce viable offspring.
To Adam. Ok so the scientific method is based on disproving theories not proving them, how can you support any evolution. There is more evidence to disprove it than to prove it. It is impossible to classify species based on bones, in my opinion. For instance, you can’t say homo sapien and austrailopithicus can’t interbreed based on what the bone structure is, if that were true then my friends coyote/blue heeler mix wouldn’t exist. Same as a labradoodle, lab/poodle.
Just to let you know… that science backs you up in a way… yes the wolf and the domestic dog are VERY similar hence:
Domestic Dog – (Kingdom) Animalia, (Phylum) Chordata, (Class) Mammalia, (Order) Carnivora, (Family) Canidae, (Genus) Canis, (Species) Canis familiaris. Wolf – (Kingdom) Animalia, (Phylum) Chordata, (Class) Mammalia, (Order) Carnivora, (Family) Canidae, (Genus) Canis, (Species) Canis lupus. Also note that False Killer Whales and Bottlenose Dolphins can also breed and produce fertile offspring. False Killer Whale – (Kingdom) Animalia, (Phylum) Chordata, (Class) Mammalia, (Order) Cetacea, (Family) Delphinidae, (Genus) Pseudorca, (Species) P. crassidens. Dolphin – (Kingdom) Animalia, (Phylum) Chordata, (Class) Mammalia, (Order) Cetacea, (Family) Delphinidae, (Genus) Tursiops, (Species) T. truncatus. What is facinating about this cross (called a Wholphin) is that while a false killer whale has 88 teeth, and the bottlenose dolphin has 44 teeth, the cross (wholphin) has 66 teeth. Here is a wiki link to this info (if you look at the bottom of the page, there is a list of other known hybrids). Here is a wiki link to this info (if you look at the bottom of the page, there is a list of other known hybrids). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wholphin. Another cool example of how odd hybridation can be is the difference between Liger & Tigon. Species is not as rigid as some would like to make it.
Whoops i typed that backward, bottlenose dolphins have 88 teeth, false killer whales have 44 teeth, with wholphin having 66 teeth.
Thank you for your comments. It’s nice to hear from somebody who agrees with me (for a change…) X
This is all very inteesting, but what I dont get is, how does it prove God has anything to do with it. Whether animals evolve or not, what difference does it make? God could have made animals that evolve, or non-evolving animals could exist without god. What does this prove?
Well, in Genesis, I believe God commands all the living things to go out and produce “according to” their “kind”. That proves that if an animal can reproduce with another and have fertile offspring, they are the same “kind”.
Another plain and simple example of a cross breed would be a donkey.
What you describe here is exactly what we would see if Evolution is true. Evolution says that all that matters is how far genetically away a particular population of animals are from another. This will determine the likelihood that a mating pair from the two populations will be able to breed. The fact is that the more genetically dissimilar a dog is from a wolf will determine whether it can breed with it. Wolves can and do breed with genetically close breeds of dogs. They however can’t breed with the more distant breeds of dogs. In fact certain dog breeds can’t breed with other dog breeds. So “Dogs only make dogs” is not correct. Wolves and Dogs can produce dogs and some dogs can’t make other dogs. Google this: problem of species and Richard Dawkins. It’s sure to open your eyes.
What are your thoughts on “ring species”. These are two separate kinds/species (as defined by you) that are connected to each other via a series of sub kinds/species. An example is the Lesser Black-backed Gulls and Herring Gulls. These can’t mate but can mate with sub species of each other. They are therefore genetically linked. If you were to kill off the subspecies then they truly would be 2 different kinds/species but for now they’re not.
I don’t think ring species are the same species, but they are the same species only with the “in-between” species. Genetics probably just don’t work that way.
Thanks Lacy for your reply. Genetics does work the way I have said. In fact Evolution is all about population Genetics. What happens is that you get genetic mutations within a population. This happens all the time.
Now if there is continuous inter breeding between the entire population of a particular species then they will remain all the same species. Over time the population as a whole will change into a new species. In other words they wouldn’t have been able to inter breed with past ancestors due to the difference in their genes. They may look the same and even have the same ecological niche or they could completely change due to the environment.
If the population is divided or if there is additional niches become available then we might see a branching of the population into two or more groups which then later on become 2+ separate species.
I’m sure that X-evolutionist will insist that they remain the same kinds but he doesn’t seem to be able to explain this process of adaption would have a boundary point that couldn’t be crossed. He states that
“In reality, God created the basic kinds of animals: dogs, cats, bears, etc. Each basic kind of animal has the capacity for adapting to any ecological zone they come across. That is not evolution, that is good planning. That is only the innate genetic diversity that God programmed into all his creations.”
So why wouldn’t God just create just one kind and let that one kind adapt or evolve into any ecological zone they come across? Wouldn’t that make far more sense?
I think this is the perfect explanation that disproves evolution. Kudos!
Hi Lacy, Thank you very much for commenting on this page. I appreciate you telling me that you think my explanation is helpful.
Lacy why do you think his explanation disproves evolution? I have also noticed that X-Evolutionist still has avoided my question about ring species. Surely if X-evolutionist is correct then he should be able to explain how ring species fit into his model.
God has mysterious ways of working, so I can’t answer that question.. Only He knows.
And I’m not going to pretend like I know that much about genetics, because I don’t, but I do know that God said that if a species can mate and reproduce, they’re the same species.
Species or kinds? The reason I ask this is that there appears to be a difference between what you say a kind is and what X-Evolutionist says. X-Evolutionist appears to hold that kinds goes all the way down the taxonomic rank or an Order while you appear to only believe the Bible states that Kinds refer to species.
I think the X-Evolutionist is saying that things aren’t that complicated like what scientists make it out to be. Scientists make it so complicated to confuse people…. But really it’s very simple. If an animal can mate and reproduce, they are the same kind/species.
But Lacy Evolution isn’t complicated. People like X-Evolutionist would like you to think so but it isn’t true. In fact what X-Evolutionist says “Each basic kind of animal has the capacity for adapting to any ecological zone they come across.” is close to what Evolution says. What Evolution says is this: That we are all related to one another by a common ancestor group. This common ancestor group was able to adapt/evolve into all the various life that we have today. All life is still constantly evolving or adapting as it always has and so trying to categorize life is made difficult because life is forever changing. Hence why it is hard to define species.
Now lets use your definition of kinds and species “If an animal can mate and reproduce, they are the same kind/species.” How do you think that applies to bacteria which do mate as they reproduce asexually. Would you think that they aren’t a kind or would you agree that we need another definition of the word species/kinds to include them. If so how would you now define it?
Correction in above. From “that applies to bacteria which do mate” to “that applies to bacteria which do NOT mate”. sorry about that.
You say that “Each basic kind of animal has the capacity for adapting to any ecological zone they come across.” how is that different from evolution and what stops one kind from obtaining a trait of another. Think bats and birds. Both have wings and your statement doesn’t show that, to use your terminology, the mammal kind couldn’t evolve wings. Surely this would be part and parcel of the ” capacity for adapting to any ecological zone they come across.” right?
Using dogs to prove that God is real is like using TVs prove that God is real. Dogs are a completely man-made animal, so neither God or nature had anything to do with them. Apologies that you don’t understand history or get how science works.
Dogs ARE wolves, is what this person is trying to say, and a wolf is not man-made.
But we have made them. We have selectively breed wolves to get dogs just as we have selectively breed crops or sheep or cows. Darwin had two big ideas.
The first was that the only difference between what nature does (Natural Selection) and what we humans do (Artificial Selection) is the fact that we are doing it. That’s it. Now on this page X-Evolutionist agrees with this. But on other pages of the website he disbelieves this. So X-Evolutionist which one is it?
The second big idea was that of common ancestry. All this means is that all life on Earth is related. This is what X-Evolutionist is against. That said all of the evidence that we have supports this on Earth. Now that’s not to say that that there can’t have been multiple starting points (and there would have to be if life formed on other planets) but that here on Earth all life appears to have come from just the one.
One of the biggest evidence is that the all life either has DNA and RNA or just RNA as the genetic code. This is universal. Also the way that this is code is translated into proteins is almost Universal (3 bases pairs gives 20 amino acids). These exceptions are only different by a very slight amount (3 bases pairs gives 22 amino acids). In fact we have created in the lab far more different (3 bases pairs gives 40 amino acids and the use of up to 5 base pairs)
All you god freaks are fucking morons who are just spitting out the same bullshit that your moron parents have force fed you. I hope you all meet god very soon. Thank GOD for people like Matt who actually have a fucking brain!